Sunday, November 23, 2008

Pak Lah...a Hindu head-of-state ??

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malay_language#Dictionary

Borrowed words

agama - religion (from Sanskrit agama)
bahasa - language (from Sanskrit bhāshā)
biara - monastery (from Javanese derived from Bihara in Sanskrit or Pali)
buat - do (from Sanskrit wuat)
bumi - earth (from Sanskrit bhumi or from Sanskirtam "buumi")
duka - sadness (from Sanskrit duhkha)
guru - teacher (from Sanskrit)
kepala - head (from Sanskrit kapala "skull")
kuda - horse (from Sanskrit)
maha - great (from Sanskrit)
nama - name (from Sanskrit naam)
neraka - hell (from Sanskrit naraka)
perpustakaan - library (base word "pustaka" is the Sanskrit word for "book")
puasa - fasting (from Sanskrit "upavasa")
putera - prince (from Sanskrit putra "son")
purba - ancient (from Sanskrit "purva/poorv" meaning past)
raja - king (from Sanskrit rāja)
roti - bread (from Sanskrit roṭi)
singa - lion (from Sanskrit)
suka - happiness (from Sanskrit sukha)
tali - string (from Sanskrit)
unta - camel (from Sanskrit ushtra)
utara - north (from Sanskrit uttara)
warna - colour (from Sanskrit varnam)

There you go folks, now that yoga, the traditional art of mental and physical self-disciplines originating from India thousands of years ago, in it's true form which happens to be in the Sanskrit language is decreed by the fatwa as associated to Hinduism, therefore deemed "haram".

Take heed all you people in the journalism/writing profession, make sure you affix the above logo beside the list of borrowed words in your piece to ascertain the "halalness". For if you keep writing the words repeatedly over a period of time, you might be accused of embrassing the Hindu religion !

Hmmmm.....looks like even Pak Lah's title of "perdana menteri" and our national car's many second names like "Putra", "Wira" "Satria" and "Perdana" in bahasa ( which I believe is also borrowed from the Sanskrit language) has to have the certification....or otherwise be deemed a Hindu head of state and an Indian national car !!

Sheeesh.....talk about insecurity !

23 comments:

Anonymous said...

jadi fatwa telah dikeluarkan tentang yoga yang menyatakan ia haram.hmm...apa nak buat.umat Islam di Malaysia terpaksa lah mengikut fatwa ini.yang bukan Islam pula tambah-tambah lagi pada NGO jangan lah cuba pula berlagak hero dalam menjadi "champion" dalam isu berkaitan fatwa ini.hehe.

Mat Salo said...

Hello bro' Fish..

Damn right, in Indonesia apparently everything is borrowed from Hinduism..

My girls in the office, wear full tudung and bothn are very religious. One is name Jayanthi and the other Savithri. The latter has even gone to Hajj.

If I have another boy I'll name him Shah Rukh, so he can be disrespectful to Malacca.

Don't forget the 29th bro'.. next Sat ok!

Anonymous said...

I am writing from Tanjong Rambutan Pub. I have gone crazy. I just cannot take it any more. I believe my fellow Malaysians share my sentiment. He he he. Three cheers for Malaysia Boleh.

patrickteoh said...

Hi Steven. Good one. I laughed which is something I don't do so often anymore in Bolehland

VASANTARAO APPALASAMY said...

Mmm... better ban the Bahasa Melayu!

zorro said...

Shang, I am told wedding ceremonies also steep in Hindu practice and the latest hand painting is definitely Hindu.

Anonymous said...

i laugh at ur stupidity man. yoga was banned due to its hinduism elements that contained within the mantra, and hindu is a religion, not a language. and it was only banned only for muslim peoples, for non-muslim, u r all free to practise it. it was not a matter of language used, it was a question of faith for Muslim. Nonsense, emotional blog. Don't write things that u dont understand, my friend.

Doc said...

Fish,
good one. Refering to Shah's comments, I've given up urguing with people who are hell bound on being at the losing end in the pretext of defending their religion.
If staying healthy has now started becoming more of a religious issue, then so be it. Nothing much we can do other than to feel sorry for their loss.
I know some good Yoga instructors in KL who are Muslims. Hope they find some fitness centres in Selangor to compensate their lose of income.
cheers

Anonymous said...

DR.SARAVANAN R,
i know u r looking this issue from the health side. its really nothing wrong of doing yoga physically for Muslim. They are some Islamic article that DO agree yoga is good for health. But the mantras themselves is religious (i had been researching for them in the internet), then how come you say it is not a religious issue? There have been some talks that practising yoga WITHOUT the mantras can be done by Muslims, but I can't be sure about that. Hope you understand. Arguing Muslim to practise the mantra is like persuading a Christian to cite the Quran everyday and says, "what the hell is wrong with that?"

Cheers.

Doc said...

Shah,
thank you for your kind reply. I see a very much better person in you after reading your 2nd comment.
Although i myself am a free thinker, I agree with you that it is wrong for Muslims to chant mantras deemed Hindu in nature. From a health point of view, wouldn't it be much beneficial to our Muslim brothers and sister if we tried to come up with a ruling requesting that certain aspects of the yoga practice deemed Hinduic (if there is such a term) be changed, modified or removed to make it suitable for our Muslim friends, rather then coming up with a cut and dry ruling to ban the whole subject as whole?
A fellow doctor of mine, a Malay gentleman, actually teaches his muslim patients yoga but has replaced the mantras with chantings using the Quranic verses.
Let us Muslims, Hindus, Christians and buddhist try to cover each other's back by taking issues to the discussion table instead of playing the blame game that's only going lead to more hatred and animosity. It is the duty of one human being to help another fellow human being immaterial of his/her race,religion and color.
Many of the non-muslims are actually trying to help our fellow muslim brothers and sisters in this issue. Please don't get us wrong. After all, isn't that the spirit of Muhibbah?
cheers

Godisuno said...

is this an anti-islam blog???

Anonymous said...

Godisuno, this is not an anti-Islam blog. This is a blog for rational people. This is not a blog for irrational dudes like you. This is not a blog for fanatics like you. The owner of this blog is a good friend of mine who is popular among all races. In fact, Shanghai fish's best friends are melayus.

Anonymous said...

bro stephen,

my heart lit up when i saw the civil banterings between shah and the good doctor.

this is truly refreshing, for a change. it shows that we can be adults, fair-minded and respectful.

comments cleared up a few things; and no animosity at the end of the day.

to my brothers shah and dr saravanan, you have my utmost respect....

-perakian-

Anonymous said...

can i politely ask that i be allowed to try to explain the misconceptions pertaining to the yoga episode.

the physical part of yoga is allowed, but the mantras are not. it is not a total ban.

for muslims, it is a question of aqidah (belief). it is more than just a belief, it constitutes a serious part that forms the tenets of the religion as well.

islam is not against yoga as it is a form of riadah (exercise) that is even considered an ibadah (an act of piety). the banning has nothing to do with it using sanskrit words, but rather the mantras perceived as religious in nature.

it is, in no way, a show of disrespect for hinduism. it is a simple edict: there is fear that the aqidah can be shaken, for muslims are taught that you cannot "chant" or pray to others other than God himself.

please be respectful that there is nothing wrong with this belief.

someone should explain what aqidah is, so that non-muslims will understand that it is not derogatory in any way to them.

if i can liken it to an example, it would be like respecting hindus who do not consume meat. if you go purely on health reasons, then there should be nothing wrong as meat contains nutrients. of course, the counter argument is that it is wrong to take the life of a living being, among others.

to those who believe the latter, it is a question of their "aqidah" as we Muslims name it. there should be no questioning why one can't consumer meat. it is the former's belief, and his/her right to believe so.

i am a bit aggrieved at potshots taken at islam due to the lack of understanding.
what's the difference? when many muslims drink, among others, why can't, for instance, they consume pork? i think that it is gravely wrong to generalise.

just because the practitioner of a certain religion is not pious doesn't make the religion bad.

the religion forbids drinking for reasons that many do not care to explain, or try to understand.
from the health aspect, it is not good for the liver. of course, you can argue abt wine, but even excessive wine drinking affects one's health.
the other reason is this: drinking leads to one not being totally in control of one's senses.
be it driving, be it getting into a fight, be it fonication - these are possible (and I stress on the word possible) scenario one can find oneself in when inhibitions are gone via intoxication.

while it is true that these things can happen EVEN if you're sober, islam teaches one not to take the risk of committing these things that are generally deemed as "bad" habits.

if you drink and drive, you can hurt people or yourself. when you do get involved in such a scenario, it will also affect people you love.

we don't even have to argue this from a religious point of view. that's why all countries ban drink driving.

anywhere you look, the reasons behind rulings in islam, just like other religions, are good in nature.

just thought i should clarify these points as i see come civilised, open-minded people here.

thanks for allowing me to share some space in your blog.

thanks

Anonymous said...

This is my messages to Melayus. If you scared to does yoga, then dont does it. Simple as that. If you want to follows your fatwa, then does it. Why are people creating a fuss. Nothing better to do kah? Yoga is for Muslims, bhais, chinese, indians, half-breeds and so on. Dont produces trouble. Sorry about my english kerana i comes from national school. By the ways, I gots distintion in english in stpm.

Shanghai Fish said...

to anan of 12:08 am
Thank you for sharing your thoughts here on my blog.
It is in this kind of healthy discussions was how this country was built and 'knowledged shared is love spread' as in the exchange between shah and the good doctor !
So don't let anyone hijack or take that privilege away from us Malaysians.
Cheers!

Anonymous said...

What about the origin of the word "Melayu" or "Malay" ?

Desert Rose said...

I am soooo relieved by the explanation by Mr Shah & bRO Anonymous there. So, enuff said la people.

Dont politic this issue.The whole commotion was due to MIsconception and laxck of understanding of Islam, (like always).

Anonymous said...

So right now, I think we can stop being ridiculous by arguing such nonsense that "Malay language should be ban by borrowing from Sanskrit". I think everyone can understand why I'd been a bit harsh on my first comment. But luckily the gentleman Dr Saravanan has turned it into an intelligent discussion. Many thanks to him. And I think I should agree 100% with him, and the comment from that anonymous may clear things up. Mr Stephen, I hope you would be more careful in writing sensitive issues such as this. You had encouraged many people to make fun not just of the fatwa, but also the Malay language. It maybe just cynical, but it is not funny at all, and you have made many Malay and Muslim angry by this article.

As the Dr has said, we should have the Muhibbah spirit. So I'm sorry if I have any mistake in my writings.

Cheers, citizens of Malaysia.

Shanghai Fish said...

shah,
Please do not go on the defensive mode everytime someone criticises the "malay language" as while you may not accept the glaring fact of the various compositions of cultures that make up Malaysia, we indeed have over the years of old have borrowed words and phrases from each different races in any one given ethnic group.
Read my blog with an open mind and I am, I repeat have no spiteful intentions to anger anyone particular language or people or the fatwa.
It is an issue now put to rest by the holy pm and the sultans had it not been for public ridicule and openly discussed by everyone irrespective of their skin color or religion that warrants interference by those on top. So you should speak for yourself and not for the entiire malay race. As even I cannot speak for anyone but myself.
I am from the old school and I grew up with a deep sense of "muhibah" long before anyone coined that word and all my friends of all races who would readily admit to chinese words borrowed in the tamil language or malay words borrowed in the chinese languages and tamil words borrowed from the malay language AND that my friend is what makes us so uniquely malaysians ! Do I make myself clear ?
Thank you and apology accepted without prejudice. Have a good day and Cheers !

Shanghai Fish said...

shah,
Please do not go on the defensive mode everytime someone criticises the "malay language" as while you may not accept the glaring fact of the various compositions of cultures that make up Malaysia, we indeed have over the years of old have borrowed words and phrases from each different races in any one given ethnic group.
Read my blog with an open mind and I am, I repeat have no spiteful intentions to anger anyone particular language or people or the fatwa.
It is an issue now put to rest by the holy pm and the sultans had it not been for public ridicule and openly discussed by everyone irrespective of their skin color or religion that warrants interference by those on top. So you should speak for yourself and not for the entiire malay race. As even I cannot speak for anyone but myself.
I am from the old school and I grew up with a deep sense of "muhibah" long before anyone coined that word and all my friends of all races who would readily admit to chinese words borrowed in the tamil language or malay words borrowed in the chinese languages and tamil words borrowed from the malay language AND that my friend is what makes us so uniquely malaysians ! Do I make myself clear ?
Thank you and apology accepted without prejudice. Have a good day and Cheers !

Anonymous said...

Hi Mr Stephen.

Thanks for your reply. Yes, I realize the fact that Malay language borrowed from so many other languages, and the origin of Malay language is so obscure, even I as a Malay think it has no originality at all. LOL. Maybe u had not saying anything offensive, but it may have raised many misconceptions, and other races are making fun of it, just as in this blog comments. I'm talking about the feedback I got from my fellow friends that had viewed your blog, but never leave a comment. But I admit, I do not represent the entire Malays, just a few of them.

OK, I think I should stop here. It may not that significant, but I'm just trying to remind you, not accusing you of anything. I know I also have to respect you as a senior citizen of Malaysia. Maybe if we look at the bright side, you have open a lot of people mind about this issue, and by reading the comment, many things had been cleared up. I'm very thankful for that. So, I'm sorry again.

Shanghai Fish said...

shah,
Thank you for dropping by my blog as I respect all commentors their right to disagree.
Hey drop by for a drink anytime bro and godbless. Cheers.